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      <title>origin of &#8220;America&#8221;</title>
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      <published>2009-10-12T14:23:03Z</published>
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      <author><name>George E. Anderson</name></author>
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        <p>Dave&#8217;s explanation of the name&#8217;s origin is very well researched, but it has one anomolous  feature.&nbsp; Locations derived from personal names were as a rule taken only from royalty (cf. your entries on Maryland, Carolina, Georgia, etc.) - and, for example, Pennsylvania is not Williamsylvania nor is Columbia/Colombia Christopheria or Cristobalia.&nbsp; Mount Everest, Tasmania, Washington (both city and state) and very many more locations named at that time are taken from surnames, not personal names.&nbsp; America appears to be the only exception to the foregoing. Now, there certainly was a Richard a-Mer(ri/yc)k - the spelling could vary.&nbsp; He was a Collector of Customs in Bristol, England at the right time, and (as such persons were then) a rich man, and he did finance at least one if not more of the Cabots&#8217; voyages.&nbsp; Ever since I saw his name on the list of Collectors in Bristol Custom House years ago I have thought that it would be quite normal for settlers to call the country where they settled &#8220;Merricka&#8221; or &#8220;A-merricka&#8221; after their sponsor, and because &#8220;America&#8221; is so euphonious it could easily be expanded to the joined continents
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Why would anyone accord to a comparatively obscure navigator who did not discover the continent nor even set foot on it till some years after its discovery the honour usually reserved for royalty - and which they did not give to Columbus/Colon?&nbsp; I still feel a lingering doubt;  if named for Vespucci why would they not call it &#8220;Vespuccia&#8221;?&nbsp; Waldseemuller must surely have known of the practice of restricting the usage of personal names to royalty, and I wonder why he chose to support the idea that people in this case - and as far as I can discover only in this case - ignored what could almost be called a rule.&nbsp; Pity that we can&#8217;t ask him about it!
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      <title>Big List: mercury / quicksilver</title>
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      <published>2009-11-06T13:44:58Z</published>
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      <author><name>Dave Wilton</name></author>
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        <p><a href="http://www.wordorigins.org/index.php/more/1344/">Number 80.</a>
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      <title>Big List: thallium</title>
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      <published>2009-11-07T08:16:48Z</published>
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      <author><name>Dave Wilton</name></author>
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        <p><a href="http://www.wordorigins.org/index.php/site/thallium/">Number 81.</a>
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      <title>&#45;ght.&amp;nbsp;</title>
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      <published>2009-11-02T14:47:12Z</published>
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      <author><name>Balthasar</name></author>
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        <p>What is the history of the -ght found in so many words?&nbsp; I hope it is not a discussion long before I joined. If so please just refer me.
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I am thinking of the -ght in words such as fight, sought, might, height, wrought, plight, etc. Is it a contraction of some set of words early in our language history?
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The words that have it seem to have nothing in common with each other, besides these -ght&#8217;s.
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      <title>Why &#8220;&#45;dge&#8221;&#63;&amp;nbsp;</title>
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      <published>2009-11-05T08:11:06Z</published>
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        <p>When I was working with a student to explain that -dge is the correct spelling after a short vowel, and that the &#8220;d&#8221; was silent, he asked the question-----Why &#8220;d&#8221;?
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Does anyone know the origin of that &#8220;dge spelling?&nbsp; Or why we use &#8220;d&#8221; rather than another letter?
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      <title>red herring</title>
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      <published>2009-11-05T09:09:38Z</published>
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        <p>Quinion has a <a href="http://www.worldwidewords.org/articles/herring.htm">discussion</a> of the phrase that pretty definitively clears it up; nobody ever actually dragged a fish across a trail to confuse hounds.&nbsp; (Dave, you&#8217;ll want to amend your Big List <a href="http://www.wordorigins.org/index.php/site/red_herring/">entry</a> accordingly.)
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<blockquote><p>Robert Scott Ross and the <i>OED </i>now trace the figurative sense to the radical journalist William Cobbett, whose <i>Weekly Political Register</i> thundered in the years 1803-35 against the English political system he denigrated as the <i>Old Corruption</i>. He wrote a story, presumably fictional, in the issue of 14 February 1807 about how as a boy he had used a red herring as a decoy to deflect hounds chasing after a hare. He used the story as a metaphor to decry the press, which had allowed itself to be misled by false information about a supposed defeat of Napoleon; this caused them to take their attention off important domestic matters: “It was a mere transitory effect of the political red-herring; for, on the Saturday, the scent became as cold as a stone.”
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This story, and his extended repetition of it in 1833, was enough to get the figurative sense of <i>red herring</i> into the minds of his readers, unfortunately also with the false idea that it came from some real practice of huntsmen.</p></blockquote>
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      <title>Harmless Drudge: Scalia and &#8220;choate&#8221;</title>
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      <published>2009-11-06T08:36:12Z</published>
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      <author><name>Dave Wilton</name></author>
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        <p><a href="http://www.wordorigins.org/index.php/site/justice_scalia_and_choate/">Another Supreme Court linguistic story.</a>
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      <title>Harmless Drudge: South Park and &#8220;Fag&#8221;</title>
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      <published>2009-11-06T08:13:51Z</published>
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      <author><name>Dave Wilton</name></author>
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        <p><a href="http://www.wordorigins.org/index.php/site/video_friday_south_park_and_dictionary_definitions/">It&#8217;s Video Friday, and this week it&#8217;s a clip</a> from the latest episode of <i>South Park</i> on the changing definition of <i>fag</i>.
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      <title>Harmless Drudge: More Passive Voice Confusion</title>
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      <published>2009-11-04T07:54:15Z</published>
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        <p><a href="http://www.wordorigins.org/index.php/more/1339/">This time at the US Supreme Court.</a>
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      <title>Big List: gold</title>
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      <published>2009-11-05T10:15:30Z</published>
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        <p><a href="http://www.wordorigins.org/index.php/site/gold/">Everyone&#8217;s favorite.</a>
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