“You All”; has there been a discussion of these forums as to singular or plural
Posted: 18 December 2009 12:29 PM   [ Ignore ]
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I seem to recall that the phrase “You All” as used in the South and Southeast US has been discussed on these forums but I cannot find any such discussion.

I watched a Steve McQueen movie, The Getaway where the phrase was used to reference a single person but on some forum, somewhere, sometime, I seem to recall that someone insisted that the phrase always referenced more than one person.

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Posted: 18 December 2009 01:19 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Native users of “you all” use it as a plural; outsiders are sometimes confused because they see it used to one person but does not realize the speaker is referencing a group including that person ("We’ll see you all next week").  I’m sure we’ve had a thread on this subject but I don’t know how to find it; there’s considerable discussion at this LH post.

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Posted: 18 December 2009 01:33 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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As is evidenced even at the page LH sites, southerners are by no means unanimous on the question of whether y’all can be singular.

[ Edited: 18 December 2009 02:09 PM by Dr. Techie ]
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Posted: 18 December 2009 02:09 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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No true <s>Scotsman</s> Southerner would use it as a singular.

(Bah, why can’t we have strikethrough?)

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Posted: 18 December 2009 02:33 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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LH writes (or wishes he knew how to write):

No true S̶̶̶̶̶c̶̶o̶t̶s̶m̶a̶n̶ Southerner would use it as a singular.

I trust he is tongue-in-cheekily referring to the style of argument that proves that no true S̶̶̶̶̶c̶̶o̶t̶s̶m̶a̶n̶ Southerner would do such a thing by using the doing of such a thing as proof that the doer is not a true S̶̶̶̶̶c̶̶o̶t̶s̶m̶a̶n̶ Southerner.

(Edit: I had not realized that “the ‘No True Scotsman’ fallacy” was, in fact, a widely used name for this particular type of circular reasoning.  It even has its own entry in Wikipedia..)

FWIW, y’all can find an old discussion here.

[ Edited: 18 December 2009 03:21 PM by Dr. Techie ]
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Posted: 19 December 2009 07:43 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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Dr T’s wikipedia post refers to eminent but now senescent philosopher Antony Flew. This is well off topic but the tactics employed need to be known: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/04/magazine/04Flew-t.html?_r=1

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Posted: 20 December 2009 07:20 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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Yes, well off topic. Better to leave this stuff alone.

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Posted: 20 December 2009 11:24 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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Congratulations, vb, you’re certifiably a fanatic.

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