Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons…
Posted: 30 July 2007 01:13 PM   [ Ignore ]
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...for you are tasty and good with ketchup.

I saw that on a bumper sticker again recently, which got me wondering where it came from. Obviously it’s a paraphrase of Tolkein’s “do not meddle in the affairs of wizards” line, but does anyone know who coined it?

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Posted: 30 July 2007 01:48 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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I heard it when I first got into organized science fiction fandom, about 1975-6.  At the time I thought the guy I first heard it from had coined it, but in retrospect that’s statistically unlikely.

I’ve usually heard it as “crunchy” rather than “tasty”.

[ Edited: 30 July 2007 01:53 PM by Dr. Techie ]
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Posted: 31 July 2007 06:05 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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I can’t prove it without putting more effort into the project than I am willing to, but I think it, or some similar version, is from Bored of the Rings.  Also, google on “do not meddle” (with the quotes) and you will find the pattern is widespread.  Obviously Tolkien is the ultimate source, but I suspect that Bored of the Rings is the vector for this as a pattern of jocular sayings.

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Posted: 31 July 2007 06:15 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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I tried Google’s Search in Book feature on Bored of the Rings but could not find meddle or catsup / ketchup. Two pages of hits on dragon, but none of them contained the phrase.

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Posted: 31 July 2007 06:57 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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I’ve read “Bored of the Rings” several times, and am confident the phrase is not in there.  I first read BotR in high school, and I didn’t encounter the saying until grad school.

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