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Posted: 30 June 2017 05:15 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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I don’t mind quote boxes around quotes, but it bugs me when (as is increasingly often the case) the entire comment is enclosed in a box, including the commenter’s original (non-quoted) remarks.  It’s obviously not a serious problem, since you can figure out what’s going on when you concentrate and read carefully, it just bugs me.  Why not reserve quote boxes for quotes?  (Don’t mind me, I’m slaving away at a rush editing job that makes me cranky.)

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Posted: 30 June 2017 08:37 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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In the UK, a van is a small commercial vehicle, no side-windows further back than the driver space.  Can be something small based on a car, or a specialist vehicle including extended backs.  Upper limit would be 3.5t total weight.  These are the vehicles of the “white-van man” world.

I always get caught out by the US term “minivan” where the UK term would be “MPV” (Renault Espace, Toyata Previa etc.).  For me a mini-van is a commercial version of the original Austin/Morris (BL) Mini.  Or maybe that’s just me showing my age.

In the US what would “van” refer to?

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Posted: 30 June 2017 08:52 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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I thought that was your position, lh, and it’s one I support. You’ll understand my confusion then as in the post which occasioned your comment I quoted the relevant line and excised the rest.

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Posted: 30 June 2017 09:12 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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Aldi, in your post immediately before lh’s comment, I see (even after the ostensible fix) the entire post in quote box, with the excerpts from SL’s post and the OED nested within in.  I don’t see the purpose of the outer quote box.

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Posted: 30 June 2017 04:16 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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That’s how I see it too.

They say I am mad, but I am not mad...

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Posted: 30 June 2017 04:54 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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steve_g - 30 June 2017 08:37 AM

In the US what would “van” refer to?

A van in the US is the same as in the UK.

Mini-van (i.e., MPV) is something of a misnomer, as it’s not all that much smaller than a full-sized van.

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Posted: 30 June 2017 05:18 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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Whenever I read the topic title I think of North American Van Lines

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Posted: 01 July 2017 06:06 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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In the UK, a van is a small commercial vehicle, no side-windows further back than the driver space.  Can be something small based on a car, or a specialist vehicle including extended backs.  Upper limit would be 3.5t total weight.  These are the vehicles of the “white-van man” world.

Back in the 1990s I once owned what must have been about the mini-est van in the world - a second-hand VW Polo van. Basically it was a Mk2 Polo supermini car with the rear windows covered up and the rear seats replaced with a flat floor. It was amazingly rare even then (I believe only 500 were ever imported into the UK), so much so that when I first tried to get an insurance quote for it the broker insisted that no such vehicle existed! I can’t think why, because it was a terrific little stuff-transporter - the rectilinear matchbox shape of the early Polo might not have been elegant but it was hugely efficient for filling up with boxes and cases. The only downside was at toll crossings - when driving one of the smallest four-wheeled vehicles on the road it was pretty galling to be charged at a higher rate than even the largest people-carrier!

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Posted: 01 July 2017 06:45 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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In the US, vans, pickups, and other light trucks are charged the same as passenger vehicles at tolls, at least usually. It’s not until you get to about 1.5 ton payload capacity that they start to charge more.

Probably due to the ubiquity of pickup trucks.

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Posted: 01 July 2017 11:45 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]
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AFAIK, tolls in the US are usually per axle. The reason for this method is for the perceived increase of wear-and-tear to the road and that is most easily done by simple axle count. This is less necessary now with electronic toll tags, but there are still cash toll booths and the toll taker only has only to look at the number of axles going through to arrive at the correct price. It would create long delays if the GVW and/or commercial status had to be determined at each transaction.

And Syntinen Laulu’s Polo Van looks to this Leftpondian like a small station wagon that just happens to have two opaque windows.

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Posted: 01 July 2017 11:58 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]
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Over here we’d call it a hatchback, Bayaker (we don’t say station wagon over here), but yes: that’s precisely what it was.

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Posted: 02 July 2017 06:37 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]
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Wasn’t a station wagon originally a motor vehicle with a wooden body and a door at the back? And wasn’t the equivalent English term shooting brake ? (I speak of the era of motor vehicles. I know these expressions go a lot farther back)

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Posted: 02 July 2017 07:29 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]
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Hi Syntinen,
VW Polo small? Nearly an HGV compared with the mini-van I referred to!

Mini Van

@Bayaker: yes most smaller vans are base on the estate/brake versions of cars, but with no side windows and a lot of the interior refinements removed

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Posted: 06 July 2017 11:18 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]
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steve_g - 30 June 2017 08:37 AM

In the UK, a van is a small commercial vehicle, no side-windows further back than the driver space.

In US usage, the term implies no such limitation on window position, so we have such things as the 15-passenger van with windows (and seats, of course) going all the way back. A van without such windows and seats would be termed a “cargo van” over here, I believe.

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Posted: 07 July 2017 12:19 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]
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...we have such things as the 15-passenger van with windows (and seats, of course) going all the way back…

That would be a minibus in the UK.  But if in the US these are vans, then the US use of mini-van for MPVs is easier for me to get!

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