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Posted: 10 February 2018 03:31 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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My favorite is when non-rhotic people stick an R after a vowel in their ‘phonetic’ spelling.

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Posted: 10 February 2018 07:50 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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"Pronounced SHAR-DAY”

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Posted: 11 February 2018 09:41 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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and ma-HOT-ma

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Posted: 12 February 2018 03:05 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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Then there’s Sadio Mané, who plays for the Liverpool Football Club.  I can hear the non-rhotic R in some of the announcers’ pronunciation of his last name.

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Posted: 12 February 2018 06:00 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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and ma-HOT-ma

Then there’s Sadio Mané, who plays for the Liverpool Football Club.  I can hear the non-rhotic R in some of the announcers’ pronunciation of his last name.

Maybe I’m slow today, but I don’t understand what either of these comments has to do with the topic.

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Posted: 13 February 2018 02:59 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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languagehat - 12 February 2018 06:00 AM

and ma-HOT-ma

Then there’s Sadio Mané, who plays for the Liverpool Football Club.  I can hear the non-rhotic R in some of the announcers’ pronunciation of his last name.


Maybe I’m slow today, but I don’t understand what either of these comments has to do with the topic.

Topic drift had dragged the thread into the region of IPA and thence on to other attempts to represent pronunciation.

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Posted: 13 February 2018 07:23 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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Right, but I guess I’m not clear on what is striking about “ma-HOT-ma” and why there’s a non-rhotic R (whatever that means) in Mané.

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Posted: 14 February 2018 03:17 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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languagehat - 13 February 2018 07:23 AM

Right, but I guess I’m not clear on what is striking about “ma-HOT-ma” and why there’s a non-rhotic R (whatever that means) in Mané.

I’m with you on the “ma-HOT-ma” issue but if you ever watch the footy, commonly on NBCSN you will hear some or the commentators saying the A in the name “Mané” with a certain, I dunno, tension that wouldn’t be present in a straight pronunciation of Mané’s name.  It’s as though it were spelled Marné.  Perhaps some of our Rightpondians know what I’m talking about and can explain it better than I can.

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Posted: 17 February 2018 06:10 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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I gave ma-HOT-ma as an example of the phenomenon that Dave mentioned:

Dave Wilton - 09 February 2018 05:57 AM

. Since you don’t know the author’s dialect, it’s impossible to understand how the author says you should pronounce the words.

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Posted: 18 February 2018 06:26 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]
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Heh.  Since “ma-HOT-ma” works fine in my dialect, I didn’t even notice!

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Posted: 19 February 2018 02:55 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]
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languagehat - 18 February 2018 06:26 AM

Heh.  Since “ma-HOT-ma” works fine in my dialect, I didn’t even notice!

Just looking at the second syllable is it /hɑt/ or /hɔt/?  Or even /hɒt/?

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Posted: 20 February 2018 05:48 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]
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I have remembered reading a Peter De Vries novel in which a Dutchman pronounces the name of the jazz musician Bix Beiderbecke Big Spiderbeck because he’s never seen it written down. I tried this on a friend at the time and they wrote Big Spiderbeck despite my careful enunciation. Try it on your friends (as long as they’re not jazz fans) and report back! I suppose we would now call this an eggcorn though everyone knows how to spell Brexit.

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Posted: 20 February 2018 06:31 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]
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Another eggcorn: there was a post on the American Dialect Society email list the other day about how Hitchcock spelled leitmotif as light-motif. And I must confess that’s what I thought it was until I saw it written down. At least I was in good company.

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Posted: 20 February 2018 08:33 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]
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OP Tipping - 11 February 2018 09:41 PM

and ma-HOT-ma

Oh, I finally got it. “ma-HAT-mur”

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